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David Mullikin
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 08:52:21 PM »

http://knifetalkonline.com/smf/index.php?topic=482.0
This article answers the question i had, the clip style in American knives is from around 1832, or before.

Also, if i read correctly, the Huber knife identified is a very rare example. The only example known to exist with "H. Huber steel" "stamp, this correct?

For some comparison, to ask an ignorant question, when did the San Francisco gold rush era knives come along, such as by Samuel Bell?   These seemed more ornamental and "high class" by intent, if my observations are correct
Comments on why?
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2010, 08:39:36 AM »

David,

You really showed the flaw in my argument on the American Style. The California Style came out of the Gold Rush in 1849 and I belive the styles that are seen most are on the artsy side. Great point.

I've always thought about the clip point and I think it came about flowing from the forging process simply making the point on the anvil's cutting tool with a couple of blows and you had a tip all ready made. I would like to know more also and would really appreciate others with more knowledge let us know what they know about the clip point.

It would also be great if people would put forth their ideas about Ed's contributions to the American HEPK.

Thanks again

Harold Locke
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 10:16:48 AM »

The huber is certainly rare, but I think there are about a dozen or so floating around. Most have the fancy english style handle if I remember correctly. The antler handled ones were supposed to go to texas and never made it. Some little thing called the alamo.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 01:49:35 PM »

It would be interesting to see several old Bowies together, such as those made by Will & Fink, Samuel Bell, Ames, and Huber - study the differences in these.  I will probably never get that opportunity, and i figure most people's only glimpses of these really old knives are seeing the examples in museums.  And, their modern counterparts.
Even if i had the chance, i wonder what my eyes would see?-- it takes great patience and study to gain a level of expertise in any field. These old knives are so rare, any interest in these seems like a far-away study in classic architecture or ancient sculpture.

Though i will say, the Huber knife looks like Ed Fowler might have made it,  in a previous incarnation! Wink 

Harold you asked a good question regarding Ed's place in things. In my book he's right up there with William Scagel.  His work is criticised or overlooked by some who have a trendy mindset, "flavor of the month" club.  (They usually complain about brass. )

 If looking at Ed's knives as individual achievments,  they are in my opinion,  each one perfect in form, and as creative and varied as any maker alive or dead.
The more i study his knives from stylistic detail, the more i am impressed, variations and proportions are in constant dynamic motion.  And there is a evolution happening, a sign that Ed is truly making thoughtful judgements about his design choices. This is true art, in my book. 

For just one example look at two "preeminent" makers of the day, Ron Lake and Michael Walker.  The knives offer  exquisite art, without question. But, in blade design these knives are in great  majority "cookie cutters", as if there is no art or engineering to be mastered in the knife edge, or steel itself.
Anyway.. just my opinion, no offense meant to either gentleman..
David
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2010, 04:16:23 PM »


This is a photo of my favorite Bowie of the 1860's, the not well known Huber made my John English of The Sheffield Works of Philadelphia.
While many historians of the Bowie disregard this knife, Dr. Stapleton refused $200,000 for her from one of them who still disputes her as being the most likely top of the evolution of the Bowie.

This one is a beauty and shows her marks well, a knife nick in the blade and guard, heavy use and well cared for. Her battle and use marks proclaim she was truly a knife made to be used.

There is more informatin about her on this form in the Bowie Section.
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2010, 05:04:11 PM »

David,

Very cool analysis on Ed's work. I have heard the "heavy brass" comment. Personally I like a little heft on a blade in my opinion (mass times speed equals force) brass has a lot to offer in it's malability to absorb shock and the ability to aid in stopping incoming blades if you ever find yourself in that position.

I to like looking at Ed's knives I have seen and the progression to a state of fluid natural elegance is what I see and hope to translate into my vision of lady knife as well as seeing steel go beyond what the budget minded factories are willing to sell to the public.

I'm glad you mentioned your book. I hope that someone like you who has the talent and insight will in their own words will chronicle Ed's body of work for collectors and and future knifemakers. I am an eager consumer for something of that nature.

I hope that others will post their comments and help us all with their insights of what they are getting from Ed's work.


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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2010, 05:46:32 PM »

I hope that others will post their comments and help us all with their insights of what they are getting from Ed's work.
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There's nobody here that's a stickler for what gets posted where, and anyone can post their thoughts on Fowler knives here if they want. I was just about to do just that when I realized this is a Bowie thread.

I think comments and insights on Ed's knives deserve a new thread all to itself.
In my opinion there is nobody better to start that thread than David, who is as much an expert on Fowler knives as anyone I know.

So David if the spirit moves you, would you be so kind as to start that thread.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2010, 07:20:14 PM »

Ed & Phil,  
Apologies, we took this thread off course!  That is a beautiful Huber Bowie, Ed.  Thanks for the photo and information.   It would be interesting to see for comparison the Ames Rifleman knife too, I've heard you mention it on occasion.  
Phil & Harold,
Thanks for the personal compliments, but i truly dont deserve such words.  Ed is the expert..  
But,  i'll be happy to start a thread.. maybe we can ask a few questions of him.. should be fun!
David

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