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1  KNIFE TALK / Ed's Thoughts / Re: The learning never stops on: April 19, 2016, 05:06:58 PM
Kind of figured out that teaching thing a long time ago.  You might think you know something but when you try to teach it to others you quickly find the holes in what you know.  Kind of flies in the face of the old adage "them as can do and them as can't teach."       Not sure how we square this whole thing,   Conversation with Ed revealed that we have both had bad experiences as well as good ones with teachers.   I think it kind of proves that most of those old adages don't work all the time.   Keep on learning, sharing, and teaching.
2  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Blade Show 2016 on: April 05, 2016, 04:02:19 AM
Your reading is so impressive, Ed.  I am in awe of the way you budget your time to include serious reading. 
3  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Blade Show 2016 on: April 03, 2016, 09:47:58 AM
Got my field of inquiry narrowed.  I'm ready on that end.    Last year I was just lucky I struck up conversation with Butch and that lead to Ed.   This time I won't be torturing my poor sore feet wandering aimlessly around.   MUCH MUCH more prepared this year.
4  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Calton-Rohde Collaboration Pictures! on: April 03, 2016, 06:12:20 AM
Wonderful collaboration!   The real breakthroughs come from individual effort.  You know the committee gets the credit but the actual idea came from an individual on the committee.  The refining of the idea can come by working with others.
5  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: April 03, 2016, 06:03:36 AM
I've done enough narrowing for the moment.   I have compiled a list of about a dozen makers I want to visit at the Blade show. 
6  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 31, 2016, 04:36:30 AM
Now  I have added Ruana to the list because they seem to have remained true to their origins and have not slavishly adopted somebody else's design.   The Ruana knives don't sing me a sweet song but they have integrity.  I wish I had known of them last summer so I could have studied them with Chris Amos.   

I'm also looking forward to putting my hands on Bob Dozier knives at the Blade show.  I have to do more reading to figure out what his roots are but I like what I see in pictures.   

I know  this thread is drifting from high performance knives but it will come back there when I'm tired of looking at knife design.   Performance is always the heart of the matter and at the end of the day form follows function.
7  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Video to watch on: March 30, 2016, 05:17:02 PM
I have spent as much time with scandanavian knives as with any others.   Again there is a distinctive style which has beauty all its own and they darn sure know how to make a sharp working knife.  Pretty interesting too that you can buy great Scandi blades ready for handles for under $50 each.  they will never be High Performance knives but the value for the dollar is incredible IMHO. 

If they just used guards.  A Mora is a classic no-guard knife that a little slip will cut you to the bone.  Maybe they always have their mittens on over there.
8  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 30, 2016, 04:55:30 PM
I catch your opening line about the curve in the top line.    It does seem to be a common element in knives that catch my eye either fixed blade or folder.   Thanks Ed.   I going to plow through more images to see if I can find another knife by another maker not from the Loveless school yet still showing great design.    I wish I was sitting in front of your library,  Ed.  Not just for the library but because I would be in great company too.
9  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 30, 2016, 04:49:11 PM
I didn't mention it but I also thought a longer ricasso would be a good idea.  I don't see that more ricasso would spoil the lines of the knife at all.
10  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 30, 2016, 05:30:05 AM
Good morning Ed and others.   Speak to me about the back end of the handle on that Loveless knife.   The angle back from the spine looks good and seems part of the flow lines.   However, it seems to me that as time went on this angle became more pronounced and the point at the back of the handle became sharper.    From a design standpoint it looks great but from a practical standpoint it makes it about impossible to hammer the knife into something if necessary.   I want to be able to pound the back of my knife with my hand if I need to drive it into something.

Form and function.  What do you say?    In theory driving a knife into something would be abusive but you know we all do it.
11  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 29, 2016, 04:14:42 PM
I am too uneducated in the history of knife design to answer your question, Ed.  However, I can immediately see a number of ways the Loveless design evolved from this knife.   
I do see the flowing lines and harmony that seems always to be there in the Loveless knife.   This one might have tried to be all things to all people.  It's almost a drop point hunter but it's also almost a skinner.  Seems kind of in between.

Then the finger grooves in the handle make it a little bit "busy."   Didn't Bob Loveless move away from these grooves pretty quickly?  I like the sweep of the line from the spine of the blade up over the hump in the handle.   Have no idea how that hump feels in hand but it looks good on paper.  The guard looks like Ed Fowler design, understated but effective.  Guard needs to be there but not get in the way of the overall design.
What's up with the butt cap being a different material pinned with yet another material?  That draws my eye away from the overall weep of the knife.

I appologize for acting like I'm qualified to critique a knife made by one of the greatest knife makers of our time.  I'm working through the exercise  of trying to articulate what I see in great design.  If i don't verbalize it and write it down it's in one eyeball and out the other.

Bounce it back at me Ed, and thanks as always for stimulating the little grey cells. 
12  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 29, 2016, 04:37:50 AM
Ok, so I'm uneducated in the knife world. I feel a bit stupid that my search for exceptional design lands me at the feet of Bob Loveless.  However I got there pretty quickly.   Now I want to get away from the Loveless school of design before it consumes me.   Help me out guys.  Is there another school of design that is exceptional but not Loveless?

In some other areas of endeavor I have done rather well because I did not  become steeped in the prevailing wisdom.  I did things that prevailing wisdom said couldn't be done just by not getting too wrapped up in that prevailing wisdom.  I think it's important to get the big concepts but then not be hampered by many details in current dogma.

If I apply this line of thought to the Loveless design question there are makers who have literally traced the patterns that hang on the wall of the Loveless shop in California.  That is a great tribute to Bob Loveless but I would not do it.   I would rather handle some Loveless knives and see if my little brain could latch onto the basic concepts and then see what what messages it will send back out to my hands when I make a knife.  Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery but it does not move the ball down the field.

Ain't I the philosopher this morning?   Hahahaha.
13  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 28, 2016, 05:36:47 PM
So how could I get a list of makers who are students of Bob Loveless?  And then who are their students?    The family tree of knife makers.  Is there such a thing?
14  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 27, 2016, 07:26:23 PM
so I browse a little more and Hmmm  knives by John Young catch my eye.   Look him up and he is a student of S.R. Johnson.   This is the sort of thing I'm looking for.  Bob Loveless leads to SR Johnson and he leads to John Young.  Design that appeals to me seems to be following a certain thread.
15  KNIFE TALK / General Discussion / Re: Narrowing the field. on: March 27, 2016, 07:10:16 PM
OK here is an example.  I went sniffing around and found S.R. Johnson.   The knives shown on his website are a major tribute to Bob Loveless.  On the screen they grab my attention.  Will that be the case when I stand at his table at the BLADE show?   He is now on the list.   Of course you know who else popped up when I put some criteria into my search.  Ed Fowler. 
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